Comment #1 – your analysis could be equally, if not more appropriately applied to some of the outlandish [CRAZY] things uttered by opinion-makers considered to be politically opposed to Beck: Chris Matthews (“[the] GOP’s Pro-Life Platform Is Almost Like Sharia”), Paul Krugman (Milton Friedman’s laissez-faire “free to choose” has become “free to die.”, Thomas Friedman (“Prime Minister Sharon has Mr. Arafat surrounded by tanks, and Mr. Bush surrounded by Jewish and Christian pro-Israel lobbyists, [and] Dick Cheney, who’s ready to do whatever Mr. Sharon dictates”), Martin Bashir (his superlative debate tactic of saying “someone should defecate in Sarah Palin’s mouth”), Rachel Maddow (“Koch brothers . . . have been promoting forced drug tests for people on welfare”), Melissa Harris-Perry (mocked Mitt Romney for having adopted black grandson, and compared Governor Rick Perry’s decision to sent National Guard troops to the border to that of southern Democrats blocking African American children from integrating into previously all-white public schools), … I could go on. I will retract one thing I just said: some of the fore-mentioned people aren’t ostensibly opinion makers. They hide behind their job descriptions as neutral journalists. At least Beck comes right out and states that he has an agenda.
Comment #2 – If you were to keep a score card, you might have already noticed that Beck has been proven right a lot more than he has been wrong.
I see you missed the point of the comic… and of my subject line… and of the text. Interesting.
And no… I haven’t been keeping a score card on Mr. Beck. I would very much like to see the one you’ve been keeping, though (since your statement implies that you have been keeping one).
I’m not the one who’s implying that he proposes outlandish ideas. You were. So you should be able to back up that assertion.
And I’m pretty sure I got the point of your post.
Glenn Beck was wrong about this: “We know who this Saudi national is. We know who this man is and, listen to me carefully, we know he is a very bad, bad, bad man.”
– Glenn Beck, via The Blaze, May, 2013
Wrong enough that he is being sued by the man he libeled, repeatedly. Doubt it will go to trial, but I hope it costs Beck a bundle. Using his position to try to destroy a man proven innocent is just evil.
I’m kind of amused that my posting a comic about what amounts to a rhetorical technique sparked such a strong response in Tom, who (despite his claim to the contrary) really did miss the point.
Glenn Beck is very well known for using this technique (which is generally referred to as “JAQ’ing off” nowadays… you can Google it), so much so that it spawned a parody website and South Park did an episode about Beck using the technique. Even though I noted (via asterisk) that this technique isn’t used exclusively by Beck, Tom seemed to think my post was all about Beck rather than the technique, going so far as to imply he’d been keeping track of Beck’s hits and misses and that there are a lot more hits than misses. It seems a bit hypocritical that Tom, who is constantly calling for evidence, provides none for this claim (even when asked), which is not something easily found via an internet search (as opposed to references about his usage of this technique, which are easily found).
So, thanks, Jeanine, for providng an example of something outlandish. I don’t know if Beck used the JAQ technique in this instance, but since Tom sort of missed that point, anyway, your example should suffice. 🙂
Comment #1 – your analysis could be equally, if not more appropriately applied to some of the outlandish [CRAZY] things uttered by opinion-makers considered to be politically opposed to Beck: Chris Matthews (“[the] GOP’s Pro-Life Platform Is Almost Like Sharia”), Paul Krugman (Milton Friedman’s laissez-faire “free to choose” has become “free to die.”, Thomas Friedman (“Prime Minister Sharon has Mr. Arafat surrounded by tanks, and Mr. Bush surrounded by Jewish and Christian pro-Israel lobbyists, [and] Dick Cheney, who’s ready to do whatever Mr. Sharon dictates”), Martin Bashir (his superlative debate tactic of saying “someone should defecate in Sarah Palin’s mouth”), Rachel Maddow (“Koch brothers . . . have been promoting forced drug tests for people on welfare”), Melissa Harris-Perry (mocked Mitt Romney for having adopted black grandson, and compared Governor Rick Perry’s decision to sent National Guard troops to the border to that of southern Democrats blocking African American children from integrating into previously all-white public schools), … I could go on. I will retract one thing I just said: some of the fore-mentioned people aren’t ostensibly opinion makers. They hide behind their job descriptions as neutral journalists. At least Beck comes right out and states that he has an agenda.
Comment #2 – If you were to keep a score card, you might have already noticed that Beck has been proven right a lot more than he has been wrong.
I see you missed the point of the comic… and of my subject line… and of the text. Interesting.
And no… I haven’t been keeping a score card on Mr. Beck. I would very much like to see the one you’ve been keeping, though (since your statement implies that you have been keeping one).
I’m not the one who’s implying that he proposes outlandish ideas. You were. So you should be able to back up that assertion.
And I’m pretty sure I got the point of your post.
Glenn Beck was wrong about this: “We know who this Saudi national is. We know who this man is and, listen to me carefully, we know he is a very bad, bad, bad man.”
– Glenn Beck, via The Blaze, May, 2013
Wrong enough that he is being sued by the man he libeled, repeatedly. Doubt it will go to trial, but I hope it costs Beck a bundle. Using his position to try to destroy a man proven innocent is just evil.
Jim Wright tells the rest of the story here. http://www.stonekettle.com/2014/12/the-second-coming-of-walter-winchell.html
I’m kind of amused that my posting a comic about what amounts to a rhetorical technique sparked such a strong response in Tom, who (despite his claim to the contrary) really did miss the point.
Glenn Beck is very well known for using this technique (which is generally referred to as “JAQ’ing off” nowadays… you can Google it), so much so that it spawned a parody website and South Park did an episode about Beck using the technique. Even though I noted (via asterisk) that this technique isn’t used exclusively by Beck, Tom seemed to think my post was all about Beck rather than the technique, going so far as to imply he’d been keeping track of Beck’s hits and misses and that there are a lot more hits than misses. It seems a bit hypocritical that Tom, who is constantly calling for evidence, provides none for this claim (even when asked), which is not something easily found via an internet search (as opposed to references about his usage of this technique, which are easily found).
So, thanks, Jeanine, for providng an example of something outlandish. I don’t know if Beck used the JAQ technique in this instance, but since Tom sort of missed that point, anyway, your example should suffice. 🙂